you're referencing if the debt ceiling is not raised? caller: the middle class starts at like $75,000. what about the people that are making $20,000, $30,000, $40,000? host: ok, congressman. guest: i think you're right. i think you're talking about the debt ceiling and putting in jeopardy the full faith and credit of this country is really going to hurt everybody. surely middle-class people and people trying to climb up the ladder. it's reckless. and when they talk about, well, let's pay some of our bills and let's not pay others, i said to a reporter, asked me yesterday about this, i said, well, now you tell me which ones. individual homes have trouble doing that and prefer not to. the greatest nation in the world is going to say, we're going to pay some bills and not others and boll bondholders and defense contractors and social security recipients? host: jodie on twitter asks -- guest: sure, there are administrative costs, social security and medicare. by the way, in terms of administrative costs better than any other -- the administr